A Cross-Chain DePIN Conversation w/ Alex Rawitz (DIMO)
In this episode, Austin chats with Alex Rawitz, co-founder of DIMO, a DePIN project built on Polygon which allows users to collect and monetize their car's data. Instead of pitting one blockchain against another, Austin and Alex have an optimistic, open-minded discussion about the DePIN space in general. The conversation also highlights a non-maxi, cross-chain attitude toward building DePIN projects; though built on Polygon, DIMO leverages the Helium network (which migrated to Solana last year) for its IoT piece.
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A Cross-Chain DePIN Conversation w/ Alex Rawitz (DIMO)
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