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Timestamps (00:00) – Intro (02:01) – Why perpetual futures dominate crypto (03:25) – How external builders tokenized US equities on Hyperliquid and enabled global access (04:11) – Why the HYPE token functions like equity through buybacks without giving up ownership (06:00) – Why Americans cannot access Hyperliquid directly and the role of the listed vehicle PURR (07:44) – Perps vs options and why retail prefers simplicity (09:54) – David’s background in private equity and why financial services experience led him into crypto (15:16) – Why traditional private equity firms will increasingly enter crypto as the space matures (17:49) – Lessons from Merrill, Lehman and the 2008 financial crisis and why self-custody is essential after FTX (20:19) – The future of global access and why decentralized rails matter for emerging markets (22:07) – How Hyperliquid compares to centralized exchanges and why trustless execution is the point (28:12) – Traditional finance meets crypto Hyperliquid Strategies’ board mix and what it signals about maturation (33:24) – Why global investors need decentralized venues and how Hyperliquid enables trust at scale (37:11) – Competition from dYdX and Lighter and why RWAs will be Hyperliquid’s differentiator (41:13) – Macro catalysts for bitcoin, regulation, deleveraging and why stability is coming to crypto (45:09) – Prediction markets, new verticals and Hyperliquid as the backend for future applications (49:58) – David’s career advice: be smart, work hard and get along with people Essentials You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube.If you like the show, please let us know by leaving a review! Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZApple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 Follow us on XJacquelyn: https://twitter.com/jacqmelinekTalking Tokens: https://twitter.com/_TalkingTokens Follow us on Instagramhttps://www.instagram.com/_talkingtokens/ Note that this podcast is for informational purposes only and any views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have a direct or indirect financial interest in content mentioned.
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