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(00:00) Intro (01:18) How Max defines tokenization and his role at BlackRock (01:40) How BlackRock goes from idea to product in digital assets (03:16) Regulatory environment and how it affects the pace of product development (05:21) Stablecoins at BlackRock: reserve management and internal use (06:17) Why BlackRock chose Securitize and how BUIDL was designed (07:54) How the FTX collapse actually accelerated BlackRock's tokenization work (08:54) Why tokenized cash is still the biggest opportunity (14:09) The shift from private chains to public networks and the hybrid model (22:17) Stablecoins as utility: programmable money, flash loans, and same-rail settlement (27:36) His thoughts on DeFi exploits, contagion, and what it means for tokenized asset design (33:13) How AI agents may prefer onchain rails and accelerate crypto adoption (38:50) Final advice: small decisions shape whether a product scales or sits on a shelf
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