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Timestamps(00:00) – Intro (01:00) – Parker’s unconventional path into becoming CIO and early exposure to Austrian economics (01:54) – Traditional finance beginnings with a Merrill Lynch internship and discovering Bitcoin in 2017 (02:42) – The Bitcoin rabbit hole, libertarian money and problems with central banking (03:23) – Learning DeFi in the early days through Hayden at Uniswap, the Aave team and Ethereum’s blockspace limits (03:58) – FTX collapse proving DeFi’s resilience while centralized lenders broke (04:39) – The Kraken cabal, inside Kraken’s strategy and how the team developed shared ethos and trust (07:16) – The shared belief system behind non-sovereign money, fairer financial systems and the long fight ahead (09:11) – Where crypto stands today: a chasm crossed, but mass adoption still far away (10:20) – Austrian economics shaping Parker’s investment thesis (12:06) – “Deep f*cking DeFi value” meme philosophy and why storytelling matters for DATs (13:05) – Sol-per-share as its north star and how DeFi Dev Corp wants to accumulate faster than ETFs (15:02) – Why DATs will consolidate and how DFDV plans to protect itself via liquidity scale and governance control (17:17) – Acting as the digital bank of Solana, bootstrapping TVL, incubating primitives and providing liquidity (19:49) – Long term vision helping create the Solana future they want to see and reward shareholders Essentials You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube.If you like the show, please let us know by leaving a review! Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZApple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 Follow us on XJacquelyn: https://twitter.com/jacqmelinekTalking Tokens: https://twitter.com/_TalkingTokens Follow us on InstagramTalking Tokens: https://www.instagram.com/_talkingtokens/ Note that this podcast is for informational purposes only and any views shared by anyone on the show are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have a direct or indirect financial interest in content mentioned.
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